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and actively blogging. Its like seeing brothers beating each other down but secretly having each other's back! Engineers saves this planet yes, but not as an individual but as community. An engineer needs to evolve. It was time for me to move on anyway. They want you to run meetings. You have to get OT, if the clinic needs you and you have a salaried ~$90K/yr income, thus not hourly (for PAs, hourly workers have no time and a half for OT). I am looking to get out of engineering and I will be another statistic of a female who reached the 5 uear milestone. Before you completely unplug, you should write an out-of-office message—or else your business contacts might get annoyed. You should try to find a different job in the same field. I thought about making contact with some of my old buds who are still there and try to scrape up some kind of work, but reading this blog and these comments reminded me why I left. You will now notice some new faces, as you will have a new manager installed between you and your current manager, the negative changes to your benefits package, stagnant wage, even more meetings and reports to make sure your doing your job, as if the last reports and meetings weren’t enough to justify your position. If you really want to get back into engineering, it might be best to get an MS or something like that. Everything is run by some financial officer. Health insurance costs quickly rule me out of being close to retirement. But the engineering degree would be like starting at the top. Every time I start at a new job I ask myself: am in for another display of the ugliness of human nature? If you can get a comprehensive background, that can be golden. It’s a great benefit and most people feels better after taking them. They trap you, too, with the sabbatical offer every seven years, which is fairly brilliant for them, since they know that the average person is done with Intel after about five, so you get a bunch of disgruntled folks. You never know how it’s going to turn out. A PA, on the other hand, can burn the midnight oil with extra shifts, from let’s say ages 25 to 45 but then, cut back the hours to let’s say ~24 hours/week, and still be able to enjoy those fruitful years between ages 45 and 65. I think Kodak in Rochester, which had 60k workers at the peak, is 100% gone now. I’ve experienced this over and over. That’s hard, though. These two templates will help you craft the perfect one, whether you're totally signing off or working remotely. Long hours yes, but there was an energy, a life to that place that was amazing. It’s time to do something else. You will now rarely have the “luxury” of focusing on the execution work. After all, one might reason, it's been eight months and I haven't gotten sick. It’s good to save and invest right from the start. I left a mechanical design engineering career nearly 20 years ago. But to do the job interview itself can be more stressful. It’s stupid! This will be my main income stream over the next 5 years as I work on building up my passive income. I too have been in IT for too long and in various roles (pc tech, telecom tech, telecom manager, IT project manager) and it’s ran it’s course. You have given me the courage to quit my job. I’ve been in engineering for 32 years since age 20. It’s a good alternative if engineering doesn’t work out. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And it is a bad thing because it is proven in research studies that the human brain and body have trouble distinguishing between the kind of stress caused by real danger, like a house being on fire, and perceived danger, like a boss with lots of demands. Thanks for your input. I made a leap from engineering to interior design a few years ago. Nobody worked extra hours unpaid anymore, and some didn’t work the 40 they charged, which is a felony. Don’t stay in a situation that you don’t like. Btw. “The difference in difficulty between high school and the university was too much for lots of people.”. Also, a music degree made me a better engineer as music develops the mind. I am unsure of what to do, whether I should keep sticking it out with the classes and power through in hopes to get a job/internship in engineering that I’m not even sure I would enjoy or drop out for the semester and recompose myself and change my major. Who knows. The guys in my level who landed the jobs weren’t necessarily the cream the crop academically but tended to be more outgoing socially and thrived in team projects. I was eventually promoted to program manager, which in the old days was a VERY prestigious position. I’m an MD and Asst Chief of my dept. I know it’s tough. Outsourcing safety sounds like a terrible idea in aviation. It’s interesting because I know guys who are mostly still technical after 30 years at the company. I complete my Bachelor’s in Electrical Engineering in 2017 and singled out Digital Design and Verification and VLSI as my sole passionate field. Why are you asking me what to do? I kept those! Seems like burnout was inevitable. There are so many parallels between becoming an engineer or a physician. After 15 years in engineering I’ve learned to drop the stress completely out of my job. Director, Global CO 2 Initiative ===== College of Engineering, University of Michigan Good luck! My masters degree is in music – organ performance, church music, and choral conducting. Firefighter, military, and other careers also offer the retirement option. @Michael – Well done, sir. This article described what happened to me…EXACTLY. Hi I am working as software developer from last 8 years but i am not passionate for coding even i don’t take much interest in growth in same career.Still I am working from long time in this career even if i don’t have interest. Right now, due to the pharmacist glut, ~20% can’t get jobs after graduation. Just save and invest as much as you can when you’re young. What are you plans? When he goes off to preschool, I’ll definitely put more effort into self employment or perhaps a part time job. I care because I don't think I'll find happiness as a professional engineer (PE). My employer, a small defense contractor that is actually a branch of a holding company is having hard times. It’s mean more opportunities have for the engineering graduates. That’s another reason why I don’t like the corporate world. One day, all my three kids approached me and they all complained (Yes, the kids, not my husband! The workload was pretty crazy and young engineers routinely worked 50-60 hours per week. No one cared about the quality of engineering , also computers these days become more advanced and can replace a lot of what engineers do . It offers several marked benefits (Significant haste, free slow fall, FREAKING WRIST-ROCKETS, etc), two Engineer-only mounts, a craftable motorcycle, a portable mailbox, portals across Northrend and the old world, snowball machines, rocket guns, and a myriad of other fun-stuffs (grenades, anyone? Interesting post! Sick Engineering SICK is one of the world’s leading producers of sensors and sensor solutions for industrial automation applications Mechanical engineering - Wikipedia Sick Engineering - I read your blog and felt like sharing my feelings too. I wasn’t sad when they laid me off and gave me a severance. Like you said in the article, I can’t compete with the hungry single kid crushing those hours for peanuts. Some of these big corporations really sucks the life out of you. Matching skills and needs, in my opinion, is getting impossible. Thank you for your input. It’s a great site for DIY investors. Yet the very fact that they trumpet this makes me think that that path doesn’t really exist, or has so few “openings” that it might as well not. The stress of overworked employees, not having tools that would make us much more efficient, on and on. If not, you can work using engineering skills at a number of jobs – teaching, etc. I noticed at Collins, that one unit of work has to be done with one lead designer plus 3 juniors, instead of one individual contributor. It seems most of those people doesn’t do much technical works though. I am currently the Engineering Maintenance Manager andddd I hate it (strong word but yes). At this point, management will lie to your face and say that nothing will be changing and it will help the company progress to the goals they are trying to attain. Good luck! Because you only get paid when you’re working. He loves the work but hates the stress. My husband is going to quit his engineering job in a year. Cutthroat culture, with dinosaur hardass management. The flip side is you don’t have to be an engineer forever. We need to find something that we enjoy and then the money will come. Our middle management and executives continually miss the mark and we’ve yet to let them go. But I can’t strongly assert enough that potential engineers entering college really study their potential industry, the trade offs of being an engineer (good pay and benefits, fascinating work and problems, bad job security in some fields, and definitely bad environments for your health overall). But being about 10 years into my field, I will say that I have had my fair share of burnout since there is always something new to learn, to the point where your job is literally an endless parade of people showing you what you are doing wrong, and never getting anything fully correct. I don’t think it would be wise to keep this up for two more months with my current pace. You were there for for 16 years yeah? Decided to leave my position 5 years ago and pursue a BSE degree. I love to both work on the details and then lead others, doing them for me. I think the pressure is high for engineers. At first, I was an RCG and loved working late and even on weekends. Most companies hire H-1B foreign visa workers in place of USA citizens to save costs. However, the company wants their senior engineers to lead and work through others. Thanks for your input. When I first started, Intel did all the design and validation in the US and Israel. I loved my job coding, debugging and fixing broken codes, re-designing and making enhancement to the product, but after the 4th company, I find it hard to land another job. Calling all engineers who are looking for a change….we have an exciting new high school in the Austin, TX area and are looking for someone to teach intro to engineering classes…please reach out via email if you are interested in changing students lives for the better and sharing your wealth of knowledge with our youth! I guess it depends on how much longer you have left. I still love engineering and do a lot of projects with my daughter on the side (she is 7). I retired because it was time to go because of age and to make room for others to move up. You need to screen the tenants very well. Why? From what I understand, there are still a lot of jobs for ECE and CS engineers. Nonetheless, since it is easier to play the cards I have been dealt with rather than wonder about the life that may have been, I am planning towards pursuing my master’s next year while doing a thesis so I can taste the Research domain (my job right now comes under the R&D vertical but i seriously doubt I am remotely doing any “research”.). all defense companies w/in 200 miles have had layoffs this year and Lockheed has cut workers (around 70% to 85% over 40 years old) FOUR years in a row! I know this post is over a year old, but just wondering what you ended up doing. Wow, 30 years experience. That way you’ll have a choice when you graduate. While it may be true that you COULD move somewhere else and live cheaper and be financially independent (which is really the core issue, not retirement), you aren’t choosing to do this because it doesn’t make sense for your life choices. What can I say? “I think I am in a pretty good place. I pursued engineering with high hopes.loved coding but after joining the company ,interests have started to vanish. They do exist but are in the vast minority. Being a senior engineer most of all the work load falls on my shoulders. Sorry to hear that. Employees are just resources. what do you think? It’s best to leave that job. After 3 years, I was in the office so little that I had no chance to make the political connections or relationships with the right people required for management consideration. IMO. I still love engineering things, but I have hated actually working as an engineer for at least the past 12 years. I make much less money, but I do get to spend most of my time with the family. Right now, I’ve seen numerous licensed plumbers earning over $80K in my state and w/ OT, etc, six figures is very doable w/o spending years in school. The Company offers sensors, switches, encoders, connectors, cables, mounting systems, and accessories. Thanks for sharing. Eventually, I figured I’d better try something else. I’m not convinced that I want to stay in the corporate life forever and I’m confident that I could save enough by 35-40, like you did, that I wouldn’t need to stay in the corporate life. Maybe I have just been lucky with the managers I’ve had but they usually try to push back on the workload that I get and take the flak for it. Technical individual contributors were left to work the magic, and actually get things done. I’m also ECE. And I truly enjoy work which is mentally rewarding and not stressful where you connect with people at human level, which I think this field that I am, in is only getting harder and more stressful. Job security is definitely getting worse though. I also hate fighting computer design software everyday ( and mixed signal simulators); it removes my motivation. I think it’s great that you like your work. I don’t want to end up like this. I have left jobs 4 times in my career, for not just zero work life balance but having zero life. The defense industry has become highly aggressive (as most defense jobs are immune from competition from H-1B candidates) and the management exploits this fact. Such success may come with significant financial compensation and personal recognition, but those rewards have to be something the individual wants or they will not find happiness. SICK is one of the world's leading producers of sensors and sensor solutions for industrial applications. Unfortunately they outsourced my new job. I want to reach out and experience that things that a young 20 something year old should be (creating awesome products, working on collaborative teams, enjoying work/life), instead of grinding out code all day on test equipment. Engineering Human Resources. Work as an engineer for a few years and see if it’s bearable. I do have a business degree as well, but prefer the engineering side of things. If you do not continue to learn and change over time, you become unpromotible and stagnate. Welcome to the first … Going after that 'Employee of the Year' honor might not be worth it. Director, Global CO 2 Initiative ===== College of Engineering, University of Michigan Yes, there are bad teams, there are bad managers, and there are no doubt jobs where people feel trapped. If that doesn’t work, they get laid off due to “rightsizing”. If you can get a position, I’d say go for it. It still doesn’t make me retired. My next stint of unemployment after that started in March 2012 and has continued since. Joy. Engineers are almost always stressed. I’m 32 in August and have a net worth that just breached 7 figures. As an engineering student who is graduating in 3 months, I’m having a difficulty with finding my passion and planning my career path. I think the hype of “not knowing” and being inexperienced has worn off (not that I know it all, I acknowledge the fact that engineering is an ever growing field). Accrual is pro-rated for appointments that are less than full-time. That job sounds like a nightmare. That clarion call ended circa 2012. I’ve only recently found out the reason for not getting any jobs was that my former employer was bad-mouthing me so I couldn’t get a job elsewhere. . You only had one employer after graduating? I sometimes miss programming and other stuff and would like to work again because I still want to keep my brain working and due to self worth, you know. I just came across this article and it spoke to me on a very relatable and granular level. My mom told me not to become an engineer, and so I didn’t. It’s never too late to start over and create the life that you want. If you find the right company and culture, you might last a bit longer and have a chance to build your wealth. I’m at that point in my engineering career (I just hit 13 years) in aerospace where I need to be a lead or manager, and I have the skills and have led some small projects. This whole gig based engineering thing aerospace is killing the industry. I have been a stay at home dad and blogging. You need to get out while the economy is good. I love reading, and I’ve always felt writing would be a natural extension of my personality. If you plan correctly, you may be able to find govt work in the FAA, State Public Works, DoT, etc, where in effect, you can survive till near retirement age and work 35-40 hours per week. I’ll say this… I don’t know if engineering is the big problem, I think engineering is a cool occupation if you like the work and also (very important) when you are in the right environment. Your future as an engineer seems boundless in the sense that you don’t see the endpoint to your learning – you just want to get better at your job and reach some sort of summit. Wow, I would consider $10 million for one year. She’s planning to retire soon, though. Loved computers as a kid, so I worked hard through my engineering degrees and got a good job. I like helping people and I think that i might be in a better position to do it as a FA but not sure if it is a right move. However, engineering was not the right fit for me anymore. Therefore, just because Intel did you wrong does not mean you should give the notion of working for Corporate America the middle finger. Unless you are a real Type-A .1% blue-chipper that is more accomplished than almost every other engineer around, you would be better served abandoning the technical toolset and craft that you painstakingly developed in favor of a 100% commitment to project management or other type of job where you are not competing with younger and cheaper labor. The ability to negotiate for a high salary, dissipated since those times. You can be an engineer for 10-15 years and evaluate your position again. Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m glad to hear you were able to work it out too. Companies all try to shoehorn the employees. Since beginning my short career I’ve seen 4 layoffs hit our organization and they’ve only gone after senior engineers/individual contributors, one with 25 years at our company. He continued to work long after he made a decision to leave because he understood that simply making a decision does not will it into existence. Technical only carries you so far. Incidentally, Les wrote to me a few years later and he did okay. I am essentially a communications systems embedded engineer. Good luck! I have no wish to go into a leadership/management role yet I’m not sure if I can remain in a developer role for much longer. I have just completed my 3 years in this IT field and the same kind of insecure feeling i have got. The person who knows how to do things and the person who does things are separated into different individuals. This was not what I experienced elsewhere, where older engineers could remain essentially individual contributors. Life is short. I noticed what happened to senior engineers at IBM, and felt disgusted at how they were treated — they would train young/fresh engineers who are usually contractors, the senior would be laid-off, and the new engineer would have to be a contractor for years and years before even being considered for full time hire. Can you downsize your home or perhaps find some other way to cut expenses? I rely just on myself (no wife, no kids, no parents or siblings) and have probably a portfolio of 200K invested in two rental units. See more. It’s all about meeting, planning, and that kind of work at that level. But now I have substantially more freedom. Some people still love it after 20 years and that’s good for them also. That might be a way to get back into engineering. 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